Pokemon

[ShadowLightMew]

@lunadash, I had shinies on Gold, Silver and Crystal that i obtained through pure luck back then but since you couldn't transfer them, they died along with the cartridges so that's why i say my hunting career started in Sapphire since i never lost another shiny again My most prized shinies are my Mews that i managed to catch back when you could go catch them and nickname them. Today Mew is a set event. I miss in game events.

 

[Shadow of Death]

Pretty sure I've only ever found one random shiny, maybe two? I think it was a Furret or something? I was a sad panda when that happened. I mean, on one hand "Yay, shiny!" on the other hand, "It's a goddamn Furret! WHY!"

 

[ShadowLightMew]

@Shadow of Death, Why don't you like Furret? It's cute and huggable on Amie but strong too. It's one of the gen 2 Pokémon i like.

 

[lunadash]

@lunadash, I had shinies on Gold, Silver and Crystal that i obtained through pure luck back then but since you couldn't transfer them, they died along with the cartridges so that's why i say my hunting career started in Sapphire since i never lost another shiny again My most prized shinies are my Mews that i managed to catch back when you could go catch them and nickname them. Today Mew is a set event. I miss in game events.

Nice sadly I don't own the E-reader card that has Old Sea Map but I was lucky to get the Aurora Ticket to catch 3 shiny Deoxys off my games

EDIT: do you remember your first shiny pokemon?

 

[ShadowLightMew]

@lunadash, Receiving the card itself would have been nice but no the event was done differently here since we never got the E-cards. Japan and USA had that priviledge, that's why they are so expensive online. Anyway we at least had the events and Deoxys was a pain to get shiny. I don't remember how many tries it took but it's theme is at least awesome. I dislike the shiny blocks cause i still want a legit shiny Reshiram, evil B&W blocks. And they updated the blocks too. Will i ever have a 100% complete shiny pokédex.

edited since i made a mistake.

 

[lunadash]

@lunadash, Receiving the card itself would have been nice but no the event was done differently here since we never got the E-cards. Japan and USA had that priviledge, that's why they are so expensive online. Anyway we at least had the events and Deoxys was a pain to get shiny. I don't remember how many tries it took but it's theme is at least awesome. I dislike the shiny blocks cause i still want a legit shiny Reshiram, evil B&W blocks. And they updated the blocks too. Will i ever have a 100% complete shiny pokédex.

Deoxys is Shiny lock in ORAS, but Reshiram not in ORAS

 

[ShadowLightMew]

@lunadash, I edited my post before you replied. The whole lock thing is confusing. I guess i could try shiny Reshiram on OR then.

 

[lunadash]

Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde are the only 3 none evil Nintendo event pokemon that are not getable in shiny rip Yveltal shiny = bacon

 

[ShadowLightMew]

They were released as events in Japan so maybe we get the shinies here too as events.

 

[Whitetail]

Deoxys is Shiny lock in ORAS

God though how much time it'd take resetting to get a shiny Deoxys in ORAS if it weren't locked though
Even worse if you were aiming to get shiny Rayquaza AND shiny Deoxys

 

[ShadowLightMew]

I wouldn't have tried on those 2 since i already have shiny Deoxys and a number of Shiny Rayquaza. But yes it would have been tough on the Delta Episode.

 

[Shadow of Death]

@Shadow of Death, Why don't you like Furret? It's cute and huggable on Amie but strong too. It's one of the gen 2 Pokémon i like.

Well, I've never been a huge fan of 'normal' type. It was an oversized ferret besides. I mean sure, cute enough and all, but it didn't interest me. It was the the (much cuter) Raticate of Gen II. Take an existing animal, scale it up and anime-ify it.

 

[ShadowLightMew]

@Shadow of Death, Yes but Raticate is a rat while Furret isn't. I forgot what species it was based on since people were wrong in the end to think it was a ferret cause it isn't even though the name does imply it.

 

[Shadow of Death]

@Shadow of Death, Yes but Raticate is a rat while Furret isn't. I forgot what species it was based on since people were wrong in the end to think it was a ferret cause it isn't even though the name does imply it.

Erm yes, I know it wasn't based on a rat. The point was that it was based on an existing animal, not even a fictional one, and was a normal type. Made it super boring to me is all.

 

[ShadowLightMew]

@Shadow of Death, I also prefer mythical or unique creatures but still Pokémon allows you to have animals as pets like the Orca Kyogre. Still waiting on a Dolphin Pokémon but yeah we definitely need more unique and mythical creatures. We never can have too many Dragons in my opinion, they are my favorite creatures and type.

 

[lunadash]

Nintendo Direct in 48 hours and its all about Pokemon

 

[Whitetail]

Nintendo Direct in 48 hours and its all about Pokemon

It's also only 5 minutes long

Also normal type's got a number of great pokemon and does consistent damage to almost all type matchups, they don't have any specific strengths but they're certainly reliable

 

[Rashy]

It's also only 5 minutes long

Also normal type's got a number of great pokemon and does consistent damage to almost all type matchups, they don't have any specific strengths but they're certainly reliable

Pffffft, please. Everyone knows that Fairy type ubermensch is unchallenged

 

[Stars]

I've played so little of Gen 6, I don't even remember what Fairy is weak to. Or really anything about it other than it was made to counter Dragon.

 

[Quid]

I've played so little of Gen 6, I don't even remember what Fairy is weak to. Or really anything about it other than it was made to counter Dragon.

It's weak to steel and poison, bolstering the offensive capabilities of those types. It also knocks dark and fighting types down a peg, as it's strong against those as well as dragon. So it was made to balance a bit more than just OP dragons.

The weakness to steel makes sense from a lore point of view, what with the use of cold iron to ward off the fair folk. I feel like the fairy type has a lot of potential, especially if future gens explore the unseelie/yokai aspect a bit more. It's only really Mawvile that does that so far, but I'm hopeful : )

 

[Shadow of Death]

I wonder if they'll ever introduce another type? Fairy is the newest, but I'm wondering what might be left, if anything? Unless they want to do something like 'light/holy' (which is what Fairy type is essentially doing), I can't really imagine anything else making much sense. I mean, to me 'fairy' type would be more of a species, rather than element as it is. I mean, 'Void' would be too much like 'dark'. Maybe 'gravity'? Though I'm not sure how the typing would work with that. Would steel and rock be weak to gravity, or resistant? What about flying?

Anyone else think of other types they could introduce to the already excessive amount that exist?

 

[Quid]

Sound would work well, there's a lot of moves already that will fit - uproar, echoed voice, etc.

 

[Zekira Drake]

Well by Gen 7 they kind of need to balance Fairy; even after 3 years of Gen 6, Fairy is still up there as one of the most consistently powerful type.

Despite the existence of Fairies, the Steel-type actually became weaker in the transition from Gen 5 to Gen 6 simply because Sucker Punch and Shadow Ball aren't resisted anymore.

People are actually resorting more to Fire-types than Steel-types to mitigate the Fairy infestation (at least in VGC Doubles). This then made Fire a really good type (it was already really good since Gen 2 offensively, only offset by how defensively weak it was when Ground-types started to rule around 4th gen), resulting in a lot of Fire-types being very viable, alongside the buffs to Will-O-Wisp and Flare Blitz getting more distribution now.

Meanwhile, Poison is still pretty weak, mostly because the Pokemon that do have the type are weak in their base stats instead. Most viable Poison-Pokemon are known more for their other typing and their ability to not die in one Earthquake, most notably Gengar and Venusaur.

Back to Fairy, in the context of VGC, back in 2014 we had a number of viable Fairy-types; Mega Mawile was part of the big 3, Azumarill could choke a lot of options in certain situations, Gardevoir and Florges were easily specialized to spread basic damage with Dazzling Gleam. In 2015, Sylveon and Gardevoir gained Hyper Voice, Togekiss became legal, Clefairy and Clefable became the best Follow Me users, Mega Mawile is still good... this is all despite Heatran being legal again. Now in 2016, we have the Xerneas win-button, forcing people to build teams trying to counter it, and typing won't work because it's usually paired up with P. Groudon, so it had to be roundabout ways... which a clever use of their best friend Mega Kangaskhan (who, by the way, centralized both 2014 and 2015) could easily mitigate. And when you look at the second most popular trio, the Rayquaza-Kyogre duo is usually backed up by another Fairy... Mega Mawile. Togekiss and Clefairy are still being used as Follow Me users too.

 

[ShadowLightMew]

Fake or not, the Pokémon Sun & Moon logos look nice. I wouldn't mind meeting the artist if they are fake. Again IF they are fake. But here is my question. Should we board the hype train or should we be a careful audience awaiting the show (direct) to start?

 

[Shadow of Death]

Fake or not, the Pokémon Sun & Moon logos look nice. I wouldn't mind meeting the artist if they are fake. Again IF they are fake. But here is my question. Should we board the hype train or should we be a careful audience awaiting the show (direct) to start?

Well, I'd suggest withholding exitement until confirmation.

IMO? Just going by the logos? Fake. The design in the background is identical, just color-shifted. Also a bit on the blurry side. The sun and moon icons are nice, but I'm not sure they really follow the pattern of design they usually go with.

It just looks dodgy to me, on the whole. Still nice though. If they're legit, then that's nice.

 

[ShadowLightMew]

I think they are fake too and if that is the case, then maybe they could design me a store logo. But we will see and i am hyping cause new games or not, the big birthday bash is upon us and i already got the special items today even though the release is tomorrow.

 

[Whitetail]

Fairy's second weakness always felt random to me I don't get why they're weak to poison. But I mean I guess it's about as senseless as psychic being weak against dark or bug being strong against poison.

Btw people found that Nintendo filed new patents for Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon and they're expecting the Direct tomorrow to be announcing it

 

[Stars]

Drat, I was going to post the news about Moon and Sun, but of all things I had to actually start working at work right around that time.

Fairy's second weakness always felt random to me I don't get why they're weak to poison. But I mean I guess it's about as senseless as psychic being weak against dark or bug being strong against poison.

Btw people found that Nintendo filed new patents for Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon and they're expecting the Direct tomorrow to be announcing it

Perhaps Fairy could be seen as representing nature, so it's weak to technology (Steel) and pollution (Poison). Psychic's weaknesses are all common fears (ghosts, bugs, darkness). I got nothing for Bug and Poison...

 

[AirSonance]

This thread reminds me, I need to hop back into my game one of these days. I've got a Gallade bred with the right IV's and egg moves, and that's about it for the team I was making...

Oh, and my Spirit Pokemon is Sylveon. Probably my absolute favorite!

 

[LoveIsBlue]

Well by Gen 7 they kind of need to balance Fairy; even after 3 years of Gen 6, Fairy is still up there as one of the most consistently powerful type.

Despite the existence of Fairies, the Steel-type actually became weaker in the transition from Gen 5 to Gen 6 simply because Sucker Punch and Shadow Ball aren't resisted anymore.

People are actually resorting more to Fire-types than Steel-types to mitigate the Fairy infestation (at least in VGC Doubles). This then made Fire a really good type (it was already really good since Gen 2 offensively, only offset by how defensively weak it was when Ground-types started to rule around 4th gen), resulting in a lot of Fire-types being very viable, alongside the buffs to Will-O-Wisp and Flare Blitz getting more distribution now.

Meanwhile, Poison is still pretty weak, mostly because the Pokemon that do have the type are weak in their base stats instead. Most viable Poison-Pokemon are known more for their other typing and their ability to not die in one Earthquake, most notably Gengar and Venusaur.

Back to Fairy, in the context of VGC, back in 2014 we had a number of viable Fairy-types; Mega Mawile was part of the big 3, Azumarill could choke a lot of options in certain situations, Gardevoir and Florges were easily specialized to spread basic damage with Dazzling Gleam. In 2015, Sylveon and Gardevoir gained Hyper Voice, Togekiss became legal, Clefairy and Clefable became the best Follow Me users, Mega Mawile is still good... this is all despite Heatran being legal again. Now in 2016, we have the Xerneas win-button, forcing people to build teams trying to counter it, and typing won't work because it's usually paired up with P. Groudon, so it had to be roundabout ways... which a clever use of their best friend Mega Kangaskhan (who, by the way, centralized both 2014 and 2015) could easily mitigate. And when you look at the second most popular trio, the Rayquaza-Kyogre duo is usually backed up by another Fairy... Mega Mawile. Togekiss and Clefairy are still being used as Follow Me users too.

A lot of what you're saying has less to do with the balance of the Fairy type and more to do with VGC's ruleset. And yes, I know, the details are supposed to be within context of VGC, but what I really mean to say is that VGC is just very, very, very, very poorly thought out. You're allowed to use just about any team of Pokemon you want, so of course people are going to use whatever stands out as the best possible combinations. I mean, if you're given no limits, why limit yourself? I mean, if I recall correctly, VGC allows Evasion boosting, so I'm honestly quite surprised more people don't run that. Unless they do. I don't watch VGC.

I mean, you can complain about everyone running Xerneas, Mega-Mom, and the Primal Pokemon all you like, but when that's *allowed* by the rules, of course people are going to do it. Mega-Mom turns every single attack into a multi-hit move, even the 100% accurate ones. That's insane. Even if it halves the power, it lets you deal just a bit more damage than you normally would be able to and lets you roll for effects twice. Then you add in that it can learn things like Rock Slide, which lets it hit both members of the opposing team in Doubles for pretty consistent 60% flinches, and it's only going to seem natural to want to run it. Primal Groudon is Primal Groudon, a high-base-stat monster with pretty damn good moves that completely shuts down the 4X weakness it has. Nothin' much to say there. And Xerneas is a one-trick pony to my knowledge, that being Power Herb and Geomancy, but it's a really good trick. It's basically White Herb Shell Smash.

And this is all in addition to the fact that, because of the battle format being Doubles more often than not, switching out is discouraged because it puts you at a massive disadvantage for one turn since there's almost no way you're going to be able to do enough with just one Pokemon able to act to stop whatever both of the opponent's Pokemon are going to throw your way. So what ends up becoming the case is that you've got a meta full of Pokemon that can afford to stay in during Doubles and the winner is effectively decided by whether or not the first leads chosen counter your opponent's.

I mean, I'm not going to sit here and tell you to hail Smogon or anything, they've got their own fair share of issues. But I also can't sit here and recommend VGC just because it's official. Their rulesets are stupid beyond belief.

 

[super hurricane]

...seems a tad early for a new Generation if anything, I was hoping for Pokémon Z so they would fill in the rest of the XY roster. There's also supposed to be some sort of list with names, though no info on what animals/species they represent. And if anything, it'd conflict a bit with the anime unless they plan to shorten it up so he finishes the league by November and goes onto wherever Pokémon Moon/Sun's region is at.

Gotta say though, I am looking forward to Pokémon Go in the presentation, though I hope they'll have a bit more variety with the mobile phone selection other than a few brands, or have it as a download in the Nintendo eShop for our 3DSs.

 

[ShadowLightMew]

I do hope Pokémon Go! will come to 3DS or New 3DS since the built in AR needs more love. Other than that i just like looking at all the possibilities, especially with Pokémon becoming 20 (26 to the company). Anyway i am happy that there is a hype since now we have lots of merch.

 

[Whitetail]

 

[ShadowLightMew]

Ah memes, they always catch up and meanwhile, it is still Thursday ugh. I guess i could continue on Super Mystery Dungeon later.

 

[Altashi]

Sun and Moon are gonna be mobile games, just watch. :>

 

[Rashy]

It's weak to steel and poison, bolstering the offensive capabilities of those types. It also knocks dark and fighting types down a peg, as it's strong against those as well as dragon. So it was made to balance a bit more than just OP dragons.

The weakness to steel makes sense from a lore point of view, what with the use of cold iron to ward off the fair folk. I feel like the fairy type has a lot of potential, especially if future gens explore the unseelie/yokai aspect a bit more. It's only really Mawvile that does that so far, but I'm hopeful : )

Fairies are ridiculously OP as they are. Steel and Poison are hilariously bad types offensively, so bulk fairies are kind of unchallenged, plus the only pokemon that can stand up to fairies realistically are steel types because most poison type pokemon arent very viable and fire types are normally super squishy so they can't take hits. Plus there are several fairy type pokemon with certain gimmicks that are absurd and broken, i.e Magic Guard Clefable, the ungodly monster that is Unburden Slurpuff, Togi-Flinch. Hope they nerf it eventually.

 

[Whitetail]

Fairy's got a good type matchup but lacks and really strong moves offensively, it's kinda like Psychic where it doesn't get the extreme hard hitters like hydro pump or that sort of thing - it makes it good at taking down dragons (exactly what it's meant for) but leaves it kinda eh when it's one on one with a neutrally favorable type matchup. Also poison on it's own isn't super strong but tons of pokemon can learn poison type moves so that does leave it pretty weak once again to stronger pokemon that don't have the STAB bonus on poison

I've never been super into the competitive pokemon scene but it's kinda nice to see them break up some of the heavily abused strategies before - I still have no clue how Umbreon turned into such an ungodly tank before the fairy counter was put in

 

[Metafogos]

Fairies arise to counter the Dragon Ascension (hehehe), more like the Dark comes to counter the Psychic GODness. The poison and steel weakness is because this two types are so unused (steel because almost do the same as Fighting, and Poison only make supereffective against grass... and lot of grass types are poison too...). But to a lot of players, put a poison or steel move are strange if not a Poison or Steel pokemon, even if we put Earthquake in almost everything.

I think is only the time will make us to use more Poison and Steel moves to counter faeries, or use more Poison and Steel pokemons. And a new generation aways can give us finally a good Poison pokemons or moves.

 

[Quid]

So how about that Pokemon Direct huh? Sun and Moon confirmed, as well as the ability to transfer Pokemon from the original virtual console games to Pkmn Bank. I wonder if the ol' Mew glitch will work...

The flashes of concept art were looking pretty rad, pity they were so fast. Someone's already captured screenshots.

Edit: Oh yeah, and Sun/Moon will also add both traditional and simplified Chinese to their list of available languages. More language options are always good!

 

[ShadowLightMew]

I am so happy and relieved that they are real! I will buy both but Moon will be my main and better late than never but definitely pleased that you can transfer Red, Blue and Yellow's Pokémon with Bank.