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How can TFH entice people?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Zenopo, Nov 3, 2017.

  1. Arcanel

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    @Zenopo

    Exactly. They're there mostly because of one thing in particular, consistency, BUT, nothing says you still can't do something about that either way. Strike where you can!

    Like I said, I know I'm a good player, just not best player is all. Simple as that for me and I'm more than ok with that! :p

    And you know, trying to learn is good! Just... make sure you don't overwhelm yourself with it. All the knowledge in the world won't be any good if you can't put it into practice. Have fun and learn the game first, if you wanna go deeper, that's when you start researching more haha.
     
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  2. Zenopo

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    Easier said then done xD

    I know I would be ok with that, anything is better than the bottom e.e

    But that's something I'm good at (overwhelming myself)! Wise words right there. Aye, just feels like a chore learning a new game and that is likely the reason fighting games and I haven't mixed well, since part of the "fun" in fighting games is learning.

    Also, I feel that we have been just a tiny bit off-topic >_>...
     
  3. ty4brawl

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    Read most of the stuff I've missed, but the posts get pretty long. lol

    As far as a grappling character, aren't centaurs technically Ungulates? It'd definitely look out of place, but it's got mitts for grabbin'. Although I do like the giraffe idea.
     
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  4. Arcanel

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    @Zenopo

    We probably did go a bit off topic but hey, it's not like it was a bad advice at the very least in terms of why can one play TFH haha. Either way, I wish you luck again and as said for the like billionth time already, remember to have fun, and do what you can! ^^
     
  5. Tribble

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    Giraffe came to my mind, too. And what about something that has a prehensile tail? Nothing says a griffin can't have one, right? Or maybe the trunk of a tapir could grab, too?
     
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  6. ty4brawl

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    I'm looking up Ungulates now and the Arctocyon looks like it might work for a grappler.
     
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  7. Pom d'or

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    As long as we're making up fantasy animals, we can always just invent something with the body of an ungulate and the hindquarters of an opossum.
     
  8. Rodya

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    Any horned ungulate could work, you just have to work within their limitations, something bigger, like a moose, would look more impressive. article-0-0B937A5500000578-376_634x411.jpg
     
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  9. Pom d'or

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    This takes place in a cartoon world where an alpaca can knit a sweater out of her own fluff. With the right animation, a moose's antlers or a tapir's snout could be made to grapple even if they don't in real life.

    I'm sure scientists have good reason for classifying that thing as an ungulate but man it looks more like a predator. Look at those claws. It fits scientifically but maybe not thematically, especially since (as an omnivore) it would've eaten meat.

    That said, +1 for spreading knowledge about extinct animals. I kinda want to read about the evolution of ungulates now that you've thrown me down that wikipedia rabbit hole.
     
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  10. Salty Beef

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    [​IMG]
    IMPRESSIVE!

    how about a Spider Pig?
     
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  11. ty4brawl

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    I'm looking at mythological animals now, and there's some crazy stuff in here. Grappling Ungulate wise we've got questing beasts, ypotryll or maybe an ophiotaurus(even though it doesn't have 4 legs).
     
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  12. Pom d'or

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    That's brilliant! All of this grappler talk has come up before, in one of the backer forums, about half a year ago. They talked about spiders then too, but no one came up with Spider Pig. Hey, it's technically an ungulate!

    This gives me another opportunity to share one of my favorite things to come out of the official TFH workstreams!
    [​IMG]
    Also Called Spideer.

    To stay on-topic, though:
    Those of you who play fighting games, how crucial is it to have a grappler? Will that really entice more people?
     
  13. ty4brawl

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    I'm by no means emersed in the realm of fighting games, but I think it would be a plus for sure. They've already done a good job of making characters that fit different character types.

    Edit: love the spideer. Makes me wonder what the others look like spiderfied.
     
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  14. Mage

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    Not crucial, but think of it this way. Grappling is a preferred playing style, so the more styles your fighting game has, the easier people will get into it. Fighting game players seem to stick to their preferred fighting style (as in, they choose the grapplers in every game), but they will adapt to a new style if necessary.

    So, it's not required, it just makes the game even more appealing to more people.
     
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  15. ManeSix

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    This is continuing to veer on and off the topic; Granted, the alternative topic is also a good one, but still. If the meandering continues, we might have to take some action.
     
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  16. ty4brawl

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    Made a new thread to continue it on: Animal ideas for other fighting archetypes
     
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    Spideer is gold
     
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  18. TheGoldenW

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    Oh no, not this again:arigrin:
     
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  19. Zenopo

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    I can't speak as someone who plays fighting games, but as a casual, I would like to have all the different types of fighters presented to me. Especially if I dabbled in fighters before, enjoyed grapplers and were to come here where there is none. I wouldn't like it very much to be forced into playing another style.

    @ManeSix
    Sorry, I got carried away -.-

    @ty4brawl
    Thanks for making that thread!

    So anyone else have any ideas for making this game more appealing to people?
     
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  20. ty4brawl

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    Post launch support would be good, though I think that's a safe bet till at least the story and dlc goat are complete. Hopefully they'll also go back to being more vocal with the community like they were pre-beta. I know as a beta backers they've been posting updates for us, but it kinda leaves the rest in the dark till release. :/
     
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  21. TheGoldenW

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    I'm happy now that the NDA is lifted that I can at least look at the gameplay and listen to the music. I can't wait as a non-backer, but this forum has not only helped me keep my hype alive, it's ignited it. I waited way too long to start participating in this community, and I believe to anyone that wants see what Them's Fightin' Herds is all about, coming here to expose people to the awesomeness is a must.
     
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  22. ty4brawl

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    I wonder how many people that were interested in the game don't know about these forums.
     
  23. Zenopo

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    Seeing that Skullgirls had post-release support, I would assume TFH will have it as well.

    @TheGoldenW
    Are you a casual gamer or a hardcore/veteran of fighting games? Why do you have hype for this game and what could TFH do to give you more hype?

    Btw, super late with this, but Dragon Ball Fighters has a "Pixel Lobby" of sorts, so TFH doesn't have that being unique anymore =/ or at the very least, it's going to be undermined by DBZF since the game in general has more hype behind it as well as a large community (of those who like DBZ like myself).
     
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  24. CamTSB

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    I've really stayed out of this conversation a lot because I don't want to disrupt any of the discussion going on here, but as you've mentioned that you're not a big fighting game player, I feel I need to tell you this.

    Both the new versions of Guilty Gear and Blazblue have similarly styled "Pixel Lobbies". Ours is different in its own regard, mostly because of the amount of interaction that we have, but on a base level, the idea is not new. Not anymore.
     
  25. TheGoldenW

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    I'm definitely a hardcore Nintendo gamer. In terms of Fighting Games, I'm a very practiced Yoshi main in both Melee and Smash 4, but other than that, I haven't played many other fighting games. I do have enough practice to know the basics of movement and attacking.

    As for why I'm hyped, I've followed this game since Fighting is Magic was first announced. I've only actively participated in the community for the past three months, but the game and the characters have grown on me, and I really care about the success of the final product. Just because I can't play the game yet doesn't mean I haven't enjoyed it. The music is so good and I love watching streams and looking at art. That's why I said browsing these forums are an amazing way to get started, they have a combo of everything Them's Fighin' Herds, exposing new people to the culture of this game. It's like going to a Cultural Festival, as it showcases the different flavors of the community. This forum alone has kept me entertained for months, and I'm perfectly willing to wait for my chance to play. My hype just keeps growing.

    The only thing that would give me more hype would be if the game came out close to my upcoming birthday. That would be awesome.
     
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  26. TheGoldenW

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    I also think comparing a DBZF to TFH is like comparing an Apple to an Orange.

    They are in wholly different worlds and liking both is cool, but people that like TFH are gonna like TFH, and people that don't notice it due to the DBZF release or people that don't care for it are gonna like the DBZF. You can't force people to like or play a game, but Mane6 has done an amazing job getting the word out about, and more people will definitely notice Them's Fightin' Herds once it comes out.

    It all comes down to people's tastes
     
  27. Zenopo

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    Much appreciated, but I don't see how you (or anyone else) chiming in would disrupt the conversion...especially since there's a solid page of off-subject conversations, which I again blame myself for.

    Welp, can't say I'm surprised. Going into the fighting game genre fairly blind, more so towards anime fighters since they look twice as hard as..."normal" fighters?
    However there's still something to what I said at least! DBZ's popularity, I dunno how popular GG and BB are, but I reckon there's a much larger community behind DBZ. I also have no idea how in-depth the interactions are in DBZF's "Pixel Lobby", so there's the chance it will be the same as TFH(?). If not, I don't think players would care all that much about TFH more in-depth Lobby as opposed to DBZ just having a lobby, because of what each game is about overall.

    @TheGoldenW
    Hardcore and Nintendo gamer...I can only assume you mean you are a speed-runner from this >.>.
    Question! Why do you play Smash but no other fighting game? Like why are you interested in this game since it's not a Smash clone?
    Note: I have also followed this game since Fighting is Magic and hoped for it's success as well, but I don't see myself playing this game nearly as much as I play Smash or be as hyped for it like I would for Smash.

    So your hype stems from being an Lawyer Friendly Equines fan? If this was an RPG or Smash Clone, would you still have the hype you have now for it?
    Could you elaborate on "exposing new people to the culture of this game"? As far as I know, TFH is a fighting game that doesn't do anything to differently from other fighting games that would attract a plethora of different people, outside of bringing the Lawyer Friendly Equines fan-base into fighting games.
    Unless what you meant by that was exposing the Lawyer Friendly Equines fan-base to fighting games. In which case my response would be: Fighting games have been around for generations now, the biggest draw, for the subject at hand, for people in the fan-base to try-out this specific fighting game would be because of it being Lawyer Friendly Equines-ish (since the roots of the game started as an Lawyer Friendly Equines game and TFH has Lauren Faust making the art for the game).

    What if they had a competition for 1 fan made character making it into the game? Or they announced Cross-play?

    To your most recent response:
    Both are anime fighters o3o...

    That they are, but in the end, a fighting game is a fighting game, its all about 1v1, last-man standing, combo central, supers, health bar, character specialties etc...
    True, but you should still try and gather an audience. Battleborn didn't do that and look where it's at today. Lawbreakers was the newest game in a market flooding with Hero-Shooters, and look where that's at. Another example, for people not noticing a game because of other games releases, look at Titanfall 2, being a great game, but completely overshadowed by Battlefield 1 and CoD (because it was released inbetween these games).
    True again, you cannot force any to play or like a game, but you can still present your game to them and explain the differences between your game and others. Quote from somewhere I heard before: The only time something becomes %0, is when you give up.
    So far yes, because otherwise they wouldn't have made the money to make the game, but I could argue no, because of how "dead" the forums are, at least compared to others.

    Note: Apologies if you felt like I was coming after you at any point, since I was like, disputing everything you said xP or at least commenting on everything you said. I have no ill will towards you or your views and I respect your opinion :arismile2:
     
  28. CamTSB

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    The majority of your conversations were about "Why haven't the Devs set a release date or told us more stuff?" and the real answers to that are "We have a news post in areas of the forums about potential deadlines, we have a very small team working towards that soft deadline, and we have a curse looming over us that if we ever set a hard date for something, everything will break and we won't make the deadline." and those are not really full and complete answers and I didn't expect them to be received well. We have a lot going on behind the scenes, a lot of things to do and a very small time and staff to do it with. I really do ask for you all to be patient, as we give you updates as soon as we feel that we can.

    With this, you're correct, but what you mean by going in without looking at anime fighters, the average person would credit to more household names, if you would. Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat are always the games that I tell people about as an explanation for the stuff that I do, despite the fact that my main interests are in anime games. Helps them understand that kinda thing.

    As for the lobbies themselves and DB's popularity, yeah, of course that's going to happen. The same reason why superheroes being in Injustice gets more attention than superheroes in Marvel games. Mortal Kombat is the driving force there as well for the casual player, since they know MK and have played it in the past they are more likely to grab IJ rather than MvCI as a more recognizable/popular name.

    Yes. DBFZ will be extremely popular. Yes, it has a selling point that TFH shares. TFH actually has a lot of selling points in pure gameplay that it shares with DBFZ, and that's always going to be a present and very obvious threat. There isn't a whole lot that can be done about it though.

    To be completely fair though, the two games aren't nearly as similar as you'd think, considering DBFZ is a team game. Tags and sparking burst mechanics, and DHC supers, and the Arcana style dashes, as well as having a dedicated projectile and reflect button. On a super in-depth mechanical side of things, they are very different. Will casual players see this? Not even slightly. Will fighting game players see it? You bet.
     
  29. TheGoldenW

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    You are right about the speedrunner part.:arigrin2:

    I am no fighting game expert. I only like Smash Bros. because I was exposed to it as a kid. Yes, I originally liked the LFE aspect of the game, but I moved past that. I like seeing this game as something that I already I liked, but evolved into its own entity, and as such, I treat it as one. I am also not an anime fan, so take what I say about the Dragon Ball community with a grain of salt.I just think we'll have to see where the game goes. It's definitely got that "different" vibe, although I'm not at liberty to say that due to a lack of knowledge.

    Trust me, I didn't feel attacked. I like having debates about games n' stuff. Thank you.
     
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    That's pretty much what I expected, and I understand completely. Deadlines are dangerous things, as there are so many unpredictable variables that can intervene. Even more with a smaller development team, since having more staff helps mitigate those variables.
    More importantly, when the game needs more time, it needs more time. No amount of butthurt fans will change that. So I think the majority of us accept whatever date the game releases.

    Anyway, I confess I got into this game because of its development history, but that has nothing to do with my hype for it now. I see it completely as its own thing and don't really draw parallels anymore. In fact, I get low-key triggered when I tell people about the game and they ask me "Which character replaces who?" I've always felt this game has evolved far past what the original project would have been. I feel bad I didn't back it, even though I didn't really know about it at the time. Ah well. I'll just buy extra copies of the game when it comes out or something. :olliebigsmile:

    In my case, I've mostly played Smash but have dabbled in Street Fighter 4 and 5, but never anime fighters. This game looks a lot more manageable to a newbie than any other anime fighter I can think of. I suppose that's a strong appeal the game has for me.
     
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