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  2. Them's Fightin' Herds is now out on Early Access!
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Feb 22 - Still release // Unexpected change of plans

Discussion in 'News' started by ManeSix, Feb 20, 2018.

  1. ManeSix

    ManeSix The Powers that Be
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    First off, let's have a note before the wall of text:

    Release not delayed. Still happening February 22. With some minor adjustments. Read below for details.

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    Well guys, we have good news and bad news.

    The bad news: We have encountered some rather large, unforeseen issues with Story Mode. In addition, key people required to handle these issues haven't been much available in this last month or so, and will continue to be unavailable for the time being due to some rather heavy "Real Life" issues. As much as we absolutely loathe to do this, we're going to have to postpone the release of Story Mode for a bit. Couple weeks?, A month?, bit more?, We do not know, at the moment, as it really depends on said key people being available, and the aforementioned large issues getting dissected and shot down. Probably not in that order.

    While we -could- in theory retask people to handle these issues immediately, we do not think this to be the best option, as we'd be delivering a suddenly rushed, lower quality version of the story which wouldn't live up to our standards and which would also tarnish the experience we want to craft for it... Not to mention take these people away from their current tasks and risk creating issues in other modes and features of the game.

    The good news is: Every other feature we intended to come with first public release (Namely, local and online PvP multiplayer, quick matches, the first iterations of pixel lobby, arcade mode, target challenges and combo trials, with fully animated and voiced characters) is on track to release with the Public Build; the only major thing that'd be kaput for now, then, would be the story.

    We do not feel that taking back an announced release date two days before its arrival is the way to go, but, at the same time, we also do not feel that we're delivering you guys the promised "1.0" experience we were aiming for with this release having the story missing from it. Combined, those two situations put us in a bit of a conundrum, which is a polite way of saying that we're drifting up in places without a paddle at hand.

    We've had emergency meetings, we've looked at the cards, and we think the best solution we can go for at this stage is switching the release of the game from a "1.0" finished build and "regular" release to a slightly rolled back "0.95" Steam Early Access version, which will exist for a short period of time before switching to the full release. This 0.95 version will include all of the aforementioned content and features with the exception of the Story Mode (because of the reasons already explained), and achievements, because part of the implementation of those is/will be tied to Story mode actions. We might also need to rollback/reintroduce a couple minor and middle changes made between the currently existing version of Backers' Beta and the Release build candidate, but if or what's not quite clear yet. Since we’re already there, we'll also be taking the opportunity during Early Access to take feebdack on further improving the pixel lobby + Salt Mine gameplay, as Story Mode and Pixel Lobby are partially intertwined and very important to the unique experience we're aiming to provide.

    We have just been in contact with Valve, to let them know we want/need to make the switch to Early Access, so the store page might briefly disappear as those changes happen. It's not a reason to panic, just part of the procedure.

    In this Early Access build, you will be able to play against other people in local multiplayer, and online in quick match and the pixel lobbies, which also contain the first iteration of the Salt Mines PvE dungeon, as well as against the AI in arcade mode. You will be able to use all six main characters, complete the first batch of target challenges and test yourself in the combo trials. It is, for most intents and purposes, pretty close to the 1.0 iteration we intended to launch, only missing those features associated with the story mode that we're now planning to rollback in the schedule slightly, and a couple other minor things that were placed in close proximity to the underside of the bus at the moment of impact.

    As the (next) first step for this, we're making a patch to Backers' Beta available later today introducing most of the changes to come in the Feb 22 release. Then as the step after that we'll be working our collective behind for the next two days to close the gap between the 0.95 and 1.0 versions as much as we can, to hopefully make it a 0.97 or 0.98 just missing the story mode.

    Thank you all for understanding, for supporting our project and for continuing to believe and sticking around despite of our screw-ups. We promise we're not narfing up on purpose.

    We love you.

    - M6​
     
  2. Yeena

    Yeena DANCING YEEN, YOUNG AND SWEET, ONLY SEVENYEEN
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    TWO WEEKS!!?!!?!
     
  3. Redness

    Redness The Class Pet

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    We understand! Thanks for letting us know!
     
  4. SmokeRulz

    SmokeRulz Where there is smoke, there is fire!
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    Works for me! Always best to be upfront about these things, and a delayed Story Mode is better than a broken one.
     
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  5. Alevgor

    Alevgor Canis Imaginatus
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    Worried sick about game reception. Early access is often a quick road to oblivion.
    Nevertheless wish you guys best luck with the game launch. Hope you solve all the issues as quickly as possible. You always have my support.
     
  6. Pizza Pony

    Pizza Pony Pasta Horse

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    Aaah, real life stuff - my favorite.
    Still though, I totally understand, take your time. The guys and gals here seem to be a patient bunch.
     
  7. Snivian Moon

    Snivian Moon How I mine for combo?
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    Extremely reasonable, and very well explained. Thanks for being transparent and forthright about this issue!

    Personally, I think it's absolutely the right decision, and if you all think the story mode needs some touching up, I'm more than happy to wait.

    I feel like the rest of the features are solid, and deliver a very complete game experience on their own. Getting story mode later will just feel like getting a bit of a treat down the line, added to an already nice game.

    Thanks to all the Mane6 devs for all their hard work! You guys are no doubt super busy, but your talent and hard work are extremely appreciated.
     
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  8. Crazybark

    Crazybark Crowdfund Backer
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    you stopped my heart there for a second, but cool. hope every thing gets better irl
     
  9. Avering

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    That is sad, but can I pester you guys for a finalised world map in return? I remember Anu sharing a not-yet final variant beforehand, it would be fun to see where everyone lives.

    Also,
    Aaaw, We love you too.
     
  10. SunnySideUp64

    SunnySideUp64 Wants to hug all the floofy things
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    No worries. I'd rather you guys take the time you need to make sure the game is good than rush it out and deliver something subpar. And I respect you were forward with this information.

    All I need to figure out now is how I get my code for the $15 crowdfunding tier. XD
     
  11. Salty Beef

    Salty Beef Fau Con, at your service.

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    Well, stuff happens. still excited to play it. hope everything turns out alright for ya'll. :arismile:
     
  12. Oasis

    Oasis Fluffy Vixen™

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    It's all good, guys. Thanks for the notice! I hope everything goes well in the end.
     
  13. Null Serene

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    I'd be pretty disappointed, and I guess I am, but I guess I don't feel like m6 are the type to be forced into this because of mismanaged time and resources, like a lot of indie devs (and indie fighter devs especially cough cough). As long as it's actual personal stuff preventing content, and not people treating the project like it isn't a job like some devs, then delay away. Heavy irl stuff sounds like something to take on good faith, even if vague, so do what ya can when ya can.
     
  14. Flutter KI

    Flutter KI Killer Instinct fanatic
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    Any news on the backer rewards faq
     
  15. ty4brawl

    ty4brawl Feed b ack
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    So we'll have the full arcade mode?
     
  16. Erkicman

    Erkicman Backers' Beta Tester
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    Yeah, it's disappointing to not have Story mode ready at launch. All it really does is it gives the people who want to talk smack on the game some ammunition to work with, but "fully animated and voiced characters, functioning arcade mode, and functioning online play" are what I really care about, so it's all good on my end.

    We all saw what happened with SFV where they gave us a story mode without arcade mode for a really long time, and that wasn't great. At all. You guys don't seem to be going that direction.

    Good luck.
     
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  17. sokolgs

    sokolgs TFH Streamer

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    Lol, this kinda like we're gonna get Open Beta for month ;)
     
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  18. gatorafan

    gatorafan HOLAS: (tm)
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    Well... Considering this is like... The fourth? Maybe fifth time this happens?...

    Anyway, I'm not really happy about the announcement but I can only hope (if I'm reading this announcement right) that this only means good things for the post-release period. That this rollercoaster of a dev cycle provided enough experience to you guys to help and guide you past 1.0 (and who knows? Maybe future projects) and that this events are only being (and going to be) experienced by the people who have supported you and followed you since the beginning and (excuse me for assuming) were going to get the game anyway.

    Better now than to affect the people who are outside this little comfy group, who (again, assuming) are probably less understanding of the situation, right?

    Still, a bummer, but I'm actually less upset after writing this than what I was when I started. So back to Grim Dawn I go! \o/
     
  19. Pegapnea

    Pegapnea Pone

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    [​IMG]
     
  20. Rodya

    Rodya Perpetually tired

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    The issue here is not whether we are patient and understanding or not, it's whether other people will be. An episodic story mode may already seem sketchy to some, if they find out that the Steam page promised a story mode, and that M6 decided to delay it and sell the game anyways, consumer trust and reputation could both suffer serious blows. We all know how unforgiving the gaming community can be.
     
  21. Lurk

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    At least it’s not a repeat of the Beast’s Fury disaster. I still miss what that game could’ve been.
     
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  22. VendiMANS

    VendiMANS the city of Buenos Aires has burned to the ground!

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    As long as I get to play the game, even without story mode, I'm still excited
    And I don't think this is gonna affect the game reception THAT much since fighting games aren't really famous for having a good story or even an actual story at all. At least it will still have more content than SFV on launch
     
  23. sokolgs

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    Arizona is strong, she can wait... Seriously.[​IMG]:arisad:
     
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  24. Lanxide

    Lanxide I wish I was cool

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    I was planning on doing multiplayer anyways.
     
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  25. Orcool

    Orcool Loves you to death

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    I almost got a heart attack while reading the title! But yeah it's unfortunate, but understandable. IRL Stuff always comes at the worst time posible. In any case, I'll still be there day 1 (I was planning on focusing on the online aspects of the game more than single player stuff anyways) And I hope that the positive reaction to all the rest of the stuff in the game will outpower the potential negative press from this.
     
  26. Ferettoko

    Ferettoko Procrastinator at Large
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    Still excited! Hope that ya'll can have smooth sailing from here on. ( must be stressing )
    It tickles me a little that the news started with bad news first, dev's after my own heart!

    Hopefully it won't have a large effect on outside reception.
     
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  27. Leatherface

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    I'm worried people will hear about this and instantly think 'Street Fighter' with the lack of story mode. Fair enough releasing the game on time, but this seems risky.
     
  28. Cloudy Skies

    Cloudy Skies Backers' Beta Tester
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    You know best what you need to do. Keep it up. I'm not worried for myself, I just really really hope Other People(tm) will like the game and that you're rewarded for your efforts in the end. I'll be doing all I can to spread the word.
     
  29. edzepp

    edzepp Backers' Beta Tester
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    Man, this whole thing has been a ride, no?

    I stand by the idea that you wouldn't have promised a story mode in the first place if you didn't think it was ready initially. It must be something bigger than expected.

    And thank you for being transparent this whole time. Game dev is never easy. And unlike many a crowdfunding disaster the base game has always looked solid.
     
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  30. SubrosianDimitri

    SubrosianDimitri The King of Poor Decision Making
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    And yet the average consumer or FG player who has no knowledge of this post isn't gonna cut the game any slack for that.

    Still, don't rush it, most people who buy FGs seem to care more about beating people up than the story mode.
     
  31. Vision Thing

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    Bummer. I'll skip the early access for now; but I'll stay tuned for the full version.
     
  32. Frost Aura

    Frost Aura That guy that answers questions

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    >Inb4 "Hah, they couldn't do it, it's doomed to fail, this is unfinished garbage"
    Despite anything that might crop up, I'm still 100% behind it and will be purchasing it this Thursday! :olliegrin:
     
  33. Stunthead

    Stunthead Springbok when
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    Can't say I'm happy about this. I was going to use the story mode as my "way in" to learning this game, so this is really taking the wind out of my sails for launch. Still, do what you think is best, and thank you for the transparency. I have faith that the story content will be of high quality when it eventually drops.
     
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  34. Erkicman

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    So I actually have a legitimate question. Those character leitmotif songs? The ones where we've heard Velvet's, Tianhuo's and Paprika's songs but we haven't heard Arizona's, Oleander's or Pom's songs? Are those tied to Story Mode at all?
     
  35. PlasmaLotus

    PlasmaLotus I call the Teleport B the : Nothing Personal, Kid!

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    I was so down for the 22nd, the early access tag on Steam confused me. Thanks for the clarification. Hopefully this goes in sooner than later! Can't wait to join you guys!
     
  36. Mage

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    While I can understand not being interested in an early access, its worth noting that the story mode was always going to be released in episodes as free DLC. This change really only means that the first episode won't be included for the 22nd, and will thus be DLC also.

    In fact, I'd say that this was an early access in name only, if not for the fact that the first episode had been planned and marketed to be part of the initial release. Aside from that, everything else marketed for the full release will be there. I honestly can't say that I'll feel like I'm purchasing an early access game.

    I suppose I'm a bit biased however, as the story modes were never a strong selling point for me.
     
  37. SmokeRulz

    SmokeRulz Where there is smoke, there is fire!
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    I'm with you there. The game has everything you need to enjoy it, it's just that the initial chapter (or so) of the Story Mode that was gonna be there at launch is gonna have to be delayed. Since they DID intend it to be in at launch, and advertised it as such, they decided to mark the release 0.95 and call it Early Access though, in the interests of transparency. So it's fine by me. Just hopefully it won't cause too much of a stink with the usual Steam whiners, is all. Everyone so far has been very supportive and understanding, though, which is nice!

    I personally am eager for the Story Mode, but I'm already going into this knowing it won't be done immediately, so having the first part of it be delayed on top of that isn't really a big deal. It's not quality, and they wanna fix it, so take your time.
     
  38. Lurk

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    IIRC Marvel Vs Capcom 2 didn't have a Story Mode, just an Arcade one.
     
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  39. edzepp

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    It's odd to think that, as far as I know, TFH wasn't really crowdfunded on the back of a story mode. I mean, we had some lore, but games like Overwatch have lore without being story-driven at all, so it wouldn't have surprised me. I didn't really consider it at all when i backed it.

    Not saying that not having a story mode at the moment is a good thing or ideal, but that's a bit of perspective. Expectations have certainly changed in the face of games like Dragon Ball FighterZ or Injustice having robust story modes (for fighters), but hopefully this isn't too damaging in the long run once people see the game.
     
  40. bibliodragon

    bibliodragon Mashing the buttons!
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    Admittedly disappointing, but thanks for being open and honest about what's going on. After the cease and desist, your dedication to this thing is not in question. Besides, now I can get more use out of this now the Cardboard Nation has been righteously defeated!
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    Will you guys be doing a postmortem once the game's safely out and you can sleep again? Dev time sound's like it's been quite a ride.