[FactionRP] The United Foenum Council [Neutral]

[super hurricane]

(OOC: Huh, I did not know Ms. Faust said that, I was looking forward to mythical predators being part of the game, as they would have contributed to the construction of Base 4 thousands of years back before they were imprisoned. Likewise, given the plot of the game, I thought predators were sneaking out a few at a time and reforming their bodies solid, in which they would make the time to form packs or hordes. Heck, the predators should be fighting the champions in the game as well, but there's no sign of that so far in the work streams. But in any case, Area 4 is cancelled for the cave system...but even a cave has it's own unique challenges and difficulties (like that really narrow tunnel in South Africa barely a foot wide). I could set up a series of obstacles for the cave if you want, as well as the placements of the Apex guards.)

 

[0Zero100]

(OOC: Huh, I did not know Ms. Faust said that, I was looking forward to mythical predators being part of the game, as they would have contributed to the construction of Base 4 thousands of years back before they were imprisoned. Likewise, given the plot of the game, I thought predators were sneaking out a few at a time and reforming their bodies solid, in which they would make the time to form packs or hordes. Heck, the predators should be fighting the champions in the game as well, but there's no sign of that so far in the work streams. But in any case, Area 4 is cancelled for the cave system...but even a cave has it's own unique challenges and difficulties (like that really narrow tunnel in South Africa barely a foot wide). I could set up a series of obstacles for the cave if you want, as well as the placements of the Apex guards.)

Yes and make LESS of them. Seriously, we only need, like, 3 at MOST.

Spoiler: I regret this. Soooo long....

Okay, I'm not sure the appropriate place to put this, but it sorta pertains to the situation, so I chose the neutral ground of the UFC, appropriately enough.

TLDR at bottom.

So I gots to get some things off my burly, rippling pectorals here. I apologize in advance if this is offensive to any parties (it is), or if I descend into ranting at any point (I did), it is all in the spirit of trying to make this RP fun for everyone. But mostly me.

So some recent (and less recent) events have happened that I kinda don't agree with, and wish to belatedly express my lack of enthusiasm toward. If you have been keeping up on all of the faction threads, (Hunters, primarily) you may know what I'm talking about. Base 4. I already made a post in the now-locked thread about this matter, but I feel the need to elaborate. I disagree with this idea for a few reasons, but primary would be believability and staying true to the established Lore we are working off of.

The whole place as described seems far-fetched to me. Firstly, the place seems waay too intricate and well designed. We are a bunch of rag-tag factions here, only recently formed. That many-storied nightmare-prison seems far outside of what I understood our resources to be. Then there's the occupants. Lauren stated in a stream that she wanted Foenum to be populated by 99% 'non-rare' (read mythical) creatures, and there is mention of Rocs, Gargoyles and Kitsune all in this base? What about the mentions of technological powers that seem beyond what modern humans are capable of, let alone what our Ungulates could possibly even dream to CONCEIVE of? I get humor, but it is not worth killing believability, in my mind.

Then there is the number of Predators mentioned, which seems way over-done, (which I already mentioned, and Hurricane offered a possible solution for, but I think this needs to go beyond that). The Hunters, as I understand it, are a group of Ungulates who worship or serve the Predators, and in turn get Predator-esque enhancements and powers - NOT actual Predators themselves (atleast for the VAST majority). This distinction seems to get lost often.

"Oh, but Feanor, you are forgetting the Corn Oil!" Well, no, actually. You see, that is stupid. Stu-PID. The Hold is a MAGICAL prison, with MAGICAL doors, and MAGICAL locks. There is a good possibility that the creatures there are ethereal ghosties, and that their ability to slip through the cracks has no - I repeat, NO - correlation to, nor dependency upon, LUBRICATION.

Furthermore, this magical barrier has held back the Predators for millennia, and barring Prophetess level magic I don't think that anyone or anything could so much as budge this lock (weakened or no) on their own. Maybe all the magic users of Foenum working in concert could have some effect, but that is not the case. And why would we want it to be? The Predators re-entering Foenum would be like the climactic end of the GAME, which we haven't even reached the BEGINNING of yet. Yes, a few disembodied scouts have managed to slip through in the lore (and probably vanished shortly thereafter) but I don't think that is territory that should even be dabbled in for us. At best it should be a VERY rare and exceptional occurrence for anything from the Hold to be seen/interacted with. There is plenty of interesting content to be explored outside of Hell; see Giraffe War and current debacle. That's without even getting into inter-faction conflict. I think the standard OC has set with The Battle of Unruliness was very good, and should be the minimum for realism here.

Secondarily, my objection would be the wrench Base 4 throws in our strategy. That was a lot of time and effort trying to work that out with everyone. To be clear, I don't mind the fact that evacuating the hostage makes our plan a 100% chance failure (even if it does deflate the fun of the attack a bit), I can appreciate that it adds to realism (after all, missions can't be a smashing success all of the time), suspense, and makes the eventual rescue of Fleece all the more dramatic. What bothers me is that it gave us very little room to respond. We could either 'spy' the evacuation happening, and forget our 2 days of intricate strategy to give chase (which would have been rather anti-climactic if we succeeded, imo) or... ignore it, as we did. Leaving us here, facing a base that I don't think could or should exist, and which, if it does, is so absurdly difficult and convoluted that it would take EQUALLY absurd and unrealistic measures to defeat. In the Battle of Unruliness, OC managed to make a simple Giraffe encampment into a dynamic and complex (15 chapters complex!) battlefield. I don't think we need to shoot for crazy complexity here. Maybe just a regular ole Hunter hideout that is better than the Cave but not Alcatraz-on-steroids?

That said, I know I am getting alot into personal opinion here, and that not everyone (or anyone, necessarily) will agree. If this is the way people want to do things, I will ofcourse go along and do my best to be a good sport. I have a G.R.R Martin-ish view on realism and grittiness that might (for some) be at odds with this universe, and I don't ask that it be shared, but I DO think that keeping a more realistic, true-to-the-lore approach would make everything more fun and engaging.

That and keeping our characters (and factions) in relatively equal power ranges. I am pretty new to RP myself, but I don't need to be experienced to see why the Overpowered OC syndrome (Not you, OC), is so dreaded. Sorry Zero. I mean, a bear by itself is a strong pick in this world of hooves and rare magic. A robot bear? That could be indestructable to anything except a very strong magic-user. A ROBOT BEAR WITH A BALLISTIC ARSENAL FROM 10,000 YEARS IN THE FUTURE?! Just. Can't. Reconcile. (SORRY! I know you explained how that ended up happening.) I'm just gonna be honest though, in my head your just a bear (the fluffiest, best bear, ofcourse!). I just can't picture it any other way. I just pretend the transportation had side-effects. You already went through an inter-dimensional portal, surely it's not so far-fetched to think that the translation might have put you to this world as a real creature? Maybe it is a slow process where you are gradually flesh-ified? Or maybe the weapons just run out of ammo and there is no way to get more?! ANYTHING!! (There may be other examples of OPs, I just can't think of 'em instantly).

I also feel like posting this reminder to all and sundry - RP IS NOT ABOUT WINNING!
Think of it like we are all trying to write a story together, taking into account all the accompanying variables such as: believability, pacing, character intelligence (not just your own OC's), deus ex machinas, plot convenience, Mary Sues, etc. Do you fight and arrange things in your story to make your characters win every time? (Answer should be no.) Or do you try to arrange things for the most dramatic, enjoyable story that will keep readers guessing? Your story would be pretty boring if your character won every encounter, wouldn't it? See Stunt's recent post for example. Did he think he would win? No. He took a 1% chance, but it made for a very fun little event that rang true and ended with a realistic outcome. Magnifique!

Lastly I wanted to just say a few words about all this. I know I am being sarcastic, nit-picky, and possibly rude, (for which I am sorry) but I need to post these things, because frankly some of them make it hard for me to enjoy myself here. That is part of the reason I have been distant from a lot of the RP for awhile. I understand this is pretty free-form stuff, but some structure and consistency is important, atleast to me. Ofcourse, I could just avoid interacting IC with those things I disagree with (which I have largely done) but in these large-scale events it is damn near impossible, hence my objections. Again, I don't mean to take this too far. This post is primarily for the purposes of clearing my own mind about things, getting some stuff off my chest, and just letting people know where I stand on things in general. I feel like an asshole, and am quite definitely taking this too seriously, but if I don't post it I'll just think it, so what the hell. My god have I really written all of this? I feel like I have been QQing for hours.

TL ; DR: I'm an asshole. I don't like Base 4. I don't believe in robot bears. I want this RP to be more like Game of Thrones (minus the nude scenes. Maybe.) RP is not about winning. (Sorry for double-post.)

Feanor, I'm gonna give it to ya' straight here...
I HATE BASE FOOOOOOOOUUUURR!!!!!!!!!!
I mean, yes, the idea of a multilevel base with different 'zones' much like Zootopia's districts sounds AMAZING. And I agree, to a point at least, that this has derailed into something UNBELIEVABLY absurd, and that we really need to tone it down.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ROBOT BEARS!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!!
...
Okay, fine, yes my OC is probably OP in SOME situations, most of them being fights, BUT I still keep some of my bearity (Bear morals? Basically humanity.) by not killing anything in cold blood. By the way, I explained that I have MAGIC bullets, which are non-lethal, and are infinite unless I'm super tired, and while, yes, that is a Mary Sue kind of thing, I did say that PLOT CONVENIENCE! Finally, that might be a cool backstory that could work. I could have amnesia and am actually turning and stuff. (Cool dudes have amnesia!)
Don't feel bad man, if you hadn't said it, someone else would have, namely me, because THIS WASGETTING RE-*******DICULOUS!!!!!!!

 

[OCisbestungulate]

Your verbousity is rather impressive, and I found much to think about and respond to.

Spoiler: Lots of words

The Hunters, as I understand it, are a group of Ungulates who worship or serve the Predators, and in turn get Predator-esque enhancements and powers - NOT actual Predators themselves (atleast for the VAST majority). This distinction seems to get lost often.

This was more or less my intention. Ungulates that had, for one reason or another, willing chosen to serve the forces of evil and to further their ends in this world. Since that is the case, if one were to make a predator OC (I'm looking at you, Mighty), would it not make sense that The Hunters is the faction to which they would attach themselves? That said, I personally feel that actual predators are very far and few. Not perhaps traveling in herds or packs per-say, but perhaps there's a small number that managed to either escape The Hold somehow, or manage to be undetected for the most part. That said, the assumption that I run with in reguards to this faction is that there would be, at most, one or perhaps two actual predators (omitting people's actual OCs), compared to the vast majority of the cult faction that serves the Predators trapped in The Hold.

"Oh, but Feanor, you are forgetting the Corn Oil!" Well, no, actually. You see, that is stupid. Stu-PID. The Hold is a MAGICAL prison, with MAGICAL doors, and MAGICAL locks. There is a good possibility that the creatures there are ethereal ghosties, and that their ability to slip through the cracks has no - I repeat, NO - correlation to, nor dependency upon, LUBRICATION.

I too appreciate good, intense RP. However, I also think it would not be a bad thing if we allowed ourselves a bit of silliness from time to time. If nothing else, we can always look at this as two sides of the same coin. Those who wish to go about their silly shianagains, and those who wish to R.R. Martin, do so but with little cross-over of events.

Overpowered OC syndrome (Not you, OC)

I don't think that anyone or anything could so much as budge this lock

Awkward...
That aside: You sure about that? After all, I did make Ziege summon an army of darkness (though technically he had an awful lot of help!)
*ahem

Right, silliness aside:

Base 4. I already made a post in the now-locked thread about this matter, but I feel the need to elaborate. I disagree with this idea for a few reasons, but primary would be believability and staying true to the established Lore we are working off of.

The whole place as described seems far-fetched to me. Firstly, the place seems waay too intricate and well designed. We are a bunch of rag-tag factions here, only recently formed. That many-storied nightmare-prison seems far outside of what I understood our resources to be. Then there's the occupants. Lauren stated in a stream that she wanted Foenum to be populated by 99% 'non-rare' (read mythical) creatures, and there is mention of Rocs, Gargoyles and Kitsune all in this base? What about the mentions of technological powers that seem beyond what modern humans are capable of, let alone what our Ungulates could possibly even dream to CONCEIVE of? I get humor, but it is not worth killing believability, in my mind.

Then there is the number of Predators mentioned, which seems way over-done, (which I already mentioned, and Hurricane offered a possible solution for, but I think this needs to go beyond that). The Hunters, as I understand it, are a group of Ungulates who worship or serve the Predators, and in turn get Predator-esque enhancements and powers - NOT actual Predators themselves (atleast for the VAST majority). This distinction seems to get lost often.

I HATE BASE FOOOOOOOOUUUURR!!!!!!!!!!
I mean, yes, the idea of a multilevel base with different 'zones' much like Zootopia's districts sounds AMAZING. And I agree, to a point at least, that this has derailed into something UNBELIEVABLY absurd, and that we really need to tone it down.

I'm actually going to come to the defense of super hurricane here. While I will admit that I do indeed think that the base is a bit much given the fan-world that our RP is shaping, it is clear that a great amount of effort and creativity went into this. super hurricane wrote all of this, and while we may not agree per-say with what was produced, I think there is no need to be so harsh. Rather, look at it this way: super hurricane, imo, has proven an understanding of what is terrifying to behold. In speaking of which:

(OOC: Huh, I did not know Ms. Faust said that, I was looking forward to mythical predators being part of the game, as they would have contributed to the construction of Base 4 thousands of years back before they were imprisoned. Likewise, given the plot of the game, I thought predators were sneaking out a few at a time and reforming their bodies solid, in which they would make the time to form packs or hordes. Heck, the predators should be fighting the champions in the game as well, but there's no sign of that so far in the work streams. But in any case, Area 4 is cancelled for the cave system...but even a cave has it's own unique challenges and difficulties (like that really narrow tunnel in South Africa barely a foot wide). I could set up a series of obstacles for the cave if you want, as well as the placements of the Apex guards.)

While I think this would be baller for something like a DND campaign, I fear that given the more free-form nature and the larger scale of the RP that we all do here would not fit well with such a structured and detailed idea. Perhaps if a more developed system, uh, develops, to be able to handle something like this, then might such things be good to have. As things currently stand however, simple (or rather, uncomplex) challenges fit the system better.

 

[0Zero100]

Your verbousity is rather impressive, and I found much to think about and respond to.

Spoiler: Lots of words

This was more or less my intention. Ungulates that had, for one reason or another, willing chosen to serve the forces of evil and to further their ends in this world. Since that is the case, if one were to make a predator OC (I'm looking at you, Mighty), would it not make sense that The Hunters is the faction to which they would attach themselves? That said, I personally feel that actual predators are very far and few. Not perhaps traveling in herds or packs per-say, but perhaps there's a small number that managed to either escape The Hold somehow, or manage to be undetected for the most part. That said, the assumption that I run with in reguards to this faction is that there would be, at most, one or perhaps two actual predators (omitting people's actual OCs), compared to the vast majority of the cult faction that serves the Predators trapped in The Hold.




I too appreciate good, intense RP. However, I also think it would not be a bad thing if we allowed ourselves a bit of silliness from time to time. If nothing else, we can always look at this as two sides of the same coin. Those who wish to go about their silly shianagains, and those who wish to R.R. Martin, do so but with little cross-over of events.



Awkward...
That aside: You sure about that? After all, I did make Ziege summon an army of darkness (though technically he had an awful lot of help!)
*ahem

Right, silliness aside:


I'm actually going to come to the defense of super hurricane here. While I will admit that I do indeed think that the base is a bit much given the fan-world that our RP is shaping, it is clear that a great amount of effort and creativity went into this. super hurricane wrote all of this, and while we may not agree per-say with what was produced, I think there is no need to be so harsh. Rather, look at it this way: super hurricane, imo, has proven an understanding of what is terrifying to behold. In speaking of which:

While I think this would be baller for something like a DND campaign, I fear that given the more free-form nature and the larger scale of the RP that we all do here would not fit well with such a structured and detailed idea. Perhaps if a more developed system, uh, develops, to be able to handle something like this, then might such things be good to have. As things currently stand however, simple (or rather, uncomplex) challenges fit the system better.

I didn't mean that we scrap the Base entirely, just put it off until we can make it not so... OP. Not to sound rude, but it just seems like a bit much, especially since I like it better when we ALL contribute to making the scene. Like when I STARTED the war with the giraffes, I HEAVILY implied that we should go and attack, but EVERYONE ELSE helped in setting the scenes and events. Base 4 can stay... just in the dark for now...

 

[Mighty Alicorn Hunter]

So some recent (and less recent) events have happened that I kinda don't agree with, and wish to belatedly express my lack of enthusiasm toward. If you have been keeping up on all of the faction threads, (Hunters, primarily) you may know what I'm talking about. Base 4. I already made a post in the now-locked thread about this matter, but I feel the need to elaborate. I disagree with this idea for a few reasons, but primary would be believability and staying true to the established Lore we are working off of.

The whole place as described seems far-fetched to me. Firstly, the place seems waay too intricate and well designed. We are a bunch of rag-tag factions here, only recently formed. That many-storied nightmare-prison seems far outside of what I understood our resources to be. Then there's the occupants. Lauren stated in a stream that she wanted Foenum to be populated by 99% 'non-rare' (read mythical) creatures, and there is mention of Rocs, Gargoyles and Kitsune all in this base? What about the mentions of technological powers that seem beyond what modern humans are capable of, let alone what our Ungulates could possibly even dream to CONCEIVE of? I get humor, but it is not worth killing believability, in my mind.

Yeah, Base 4 seemed a little too modern for a setting that in the current time is basically pre-medieval, let alone thousands of years ago when the predators were around. It would probably work if it were retooled into more of a dungeon (as in no lasers). "Kitsune"... I'm slightly guilty of this, because of blue.

"Oh, but Feanor, you are forgetting the Corn Oil!" Well, no, actually. You see, that is stupid. Stu-PID. The Hold is a MAGICAL prison, with MAGICAL doors, and MAGICAL locks. There is a good possibility that the creatures there are ethereal ghosties, and that their ability to slip through the cracks has no - I repeat, NO - correlation to, nor dependency upon, LUBRICATION.

This was mostly a joke, and i think the canon™ of my character would actually be that blue taught him how to switch places with his magical shadow, which is not only a sly loophole (which can only be done because the door has weakened), but likely couldn't be done by most predators anyway. (due to a lack of knowledge on advanced dark magic)

The Predators re-entering Foenum would be like the climactic end of the GAME, which we haven't even reached the BEGINNING of yet. Yes, a few disembodied scouts have managed to slip through in the lore (and probably vanished shortly thereafter) but I don't think that is territory that should even be dabbled in for us. At best it should be a VERY rare and exceptional occurrence for anything from the Hold to be seen/interacted with. There is plenty of interesting content to be explored outside of Hell; see Giraffe War and current debacle. That's without even getting into inter-faction conflict. I think the standard OC has set with The Battle of Unruliness was very good, and should be the minimum for realism here.

I heavily agree (despite that being hideously hypocritical), the hold should be something mostly to entirely cut off from the world, as that is it's whole point. To add, the Hunters should be like demon cultists in other works of fiction, where freeing even a single predator is an important objective in their eyes, you know, leave the opening of massive gates that pour out apocalyptic amounts of predators for those rare occasions . I do still have to congraduate OC for his story, especially for the fact that most of the important characters weren't his and he was still able to weave it as well as he did.

That and keeping our characters (and factions) in relatively equal power ranges. I am pretty new to RP myself, but I don't need to be experienced to see why the Overpowered OC syndrome (Not you, OC), is so dreaded. Sorry Zero. I mean, a bear by itself is a strong pick in this world of hooves and rare magic. A robot bear? That could be indestructable to anything except a very strong magic-user. A ROBOT BEAR WITH A BALLISTIC ARSENAL FROM 10,000 YEARS IN THE FUTURE?! Just. Can't. Reconcile. (SORRY! I know you explained how that ended up happening.) I'm just gonna be honest though, in my head your just a bear (the fluffiest, best bear, ofcourse!). I just can't picture it any other way. I just pretend the transportation had side-effects. You already went through an inter-dimensional portal, surely it's not so far-fetched to think that the translation might have put you to this world as a real creature? Maybe it is a slow process where you are gradually flesh-ified? Or maybe the weapons just run out of ammo and there is no way to get more?! ANYTHING!! (There may be other examples of OPs, I just can't think of 'em instantly).

I was fine with Zero mostly because he's the only one, but yeah, it's completely ludicrous, especially in combat.

This was more or less my intention. Ungulates that had, for one reason or another, willing chosen to serve the forces of evil and to further their ends in this world. Since that is the case, if one were to make a predator OC (I'm looking at you, Mighty), would it not make sense that The Hunters is the faction to which they would attach themselves? That said, I personally feel that actual predators are very far and few. Not perhaps traveling in herds or packs per-say, but perhaps there's a small number that managed to either escape The Hold somehow, or manage to be undetected for the most part. That said, the assumption that I run with in reguards to this faction is that there would be, at most, one or perhaps two actual predators (omitting people's actual OCs), compared to the vast majority of the cult faction that serves the Predators trapped in The Hold.

I guess it was me who opened the way for actual predator OCs, didn't I? That said, there are not actually that many (excluding that massive number of birds).

While I think this would be baller for something like a DND campaign, I fear that given the more free-form nature and the larger scale of the RP that we all do here would not fit well with such a structured and detailed idea. Perhaps if a more developed system, uh, develops, to be able to handle something like this, then might such things be good to have. As things currently stand however, simple (or rather, uncomplex) challenges fit the system better.

I do think something like a base infiltration would benefit a lot from that. If you have the time to set up (or pick) a system, GO FOR IT!

 

[Stunthead]

Your story would be pretty boring if your character won every encounter, wouldn't it? See Stunt's recent post for example. Did he think he would win? No. He took a 1% chance, but it made for a very fun little event that rang true and ended with a realistic outcome. Magnifique!

OOC: Thanks. I like Fleece for the same reason I like Pom. 'Cause they're a bit s**t. Writing a character who tries their best despite being woefully inadequate compared to everyone else around them is actually really fun. He'll come out on top one of these days, and it'll be a glorious moment when he does.

As for the rest of your points, Feanor, I largely agree. I'd also like to ask that everyone keep this in mind: Sometimes the smallest, lowest-stake stories can be the most compelling. You guys remember the episode "Blink" from Doctor Who? The world wasn't in danger of being destroyed, there was no war with the Daleks, nothing like that. It was about 2 characters we had never met before trying to get away from 4 aliens that weren't even trying to kill them. And it was terrifying, because it was personal, and failure was totally an option.

 

[CrpCrwls]

That and keeping our characters (and factions) in relatively equal power ranges. I am pretty new to RP myself, but I don't need to be experienced to see why the Overpowered OC syndrome (Not you, OC), is so dreaded. Sorry Zero. I mean, a bear by itself is a strong pick in this world of hooves and rare magic. A robot bear? That could be indestructable to anything except a very strong magic-user. A ROBOT BEAR WITH A BALLISTIC ARSENAL FROM 10,000 YEARS IN THE FUTURE?! Just. Can't. Reconcile. (SORRY! I know you explained how that ended up happening.) I'm just gonna be honest though, in my head your just a bear (the fluffiest, best bear, ofcourse!). I just can't picture it any other way. I just pretend the transportation had side-effects. You already went through an inter-dimensional portal, surely it's not so far-fetched to think that the translation might have put you to this world as a real creature? Maybe it is a slow process where you are gradually flesh-ified? Or maybe the weapons just run out of ammo and there is no way to get more?! ANYTHING!! (There may be other examples of OPs, I just can't think of 'em instantly).

I was fine with Zero mostly because he's the only one, but yeah, it's completely ludicrous, especially in combat.

Honestly I don't think Zero is that OP... Gaosung is more OP. In fact I suddenly realize my OC is possibly the most OP character at the moment, only held back by the fact that if he goes all out everyone loses.

 

[0Zero100]

Spoiler: I regret this. Soooo long....

That and keeping our characters (and factions) in relatively equal power ranges. I am pretty new to RP myself, but I don't need to be experienced to see why the Overpowered OC syndrome (Not you, OC), is so dreaded. Sorry Zero. I mean, a bear by itself is a strong pick in this world of hooves and rare magic. A robot bear? That could be indestructable to anything except a very strong magic-user. A ROBOT BEAR WITH A BALLISTIC ARSENAL FROM 10,000 YEARS IN THE FUTURE?! Just. Can't. Reconcile. (SORRY! I know you explained how that ended up happening. (There may be other examples of OPs, I just can't think of 'em instantly).

I don't believe in robot bears.

I was fine with Zero mostly because he's the only one, but yeah, it's completely ludicrous, especially in combat.

*Sniff*
"Okay... I see how it is...
*Sob*
No, no, it's FIIINE!!! I'll just see myself out, I can tell I'm not wanted here..."
*Goes back to his tree house, complete with tire swing*

 

[0Zero100]

Honestly I don't think Zero is that OP... Gaosung is more OP. In fact I suddenly realize my OC is possibly the most OP character at the moment, only held back by the fact that if he goes all out everyone loses.

[Pardon the double post]
*Rushes in ALLLLL the way from his tree house*
"Gaosung, I CHALLENGE YOU TO A XIAOLIN SHOWDOWN!"

 

[CrpCrwls]

[Pardon the double post]
*Rushes in ALLLLL the way from his tree house*
"Gaosung, I CHALLENGE YOU TO A XIAOLIN SHOWDOWN!"

Okay. Then I'll choose the challenge. A game of hot potato.
*Gaosung's flames suddenly flare up*
You'll be the potato.

 

[0Zero100]

Okay. Then I'll choose the challenge. A game of hot potato.
*Gaosung's flames suddenly flare up*
You'll be the potato.

OOC: Was that a jab at the fact that I'm brown? Well, when I had my other avatar pic...

"Fine! My Orb of Tornami against your flames of... flames of... your flames! Let's go!
Xiaolin Showdown!

*Suddenly the environment changes to that of a void with broken pieces of buildings serving as platforms. Zero and Gaosung land on a long rectangular platform, a small plushie version of Zero materialising out of thin air for the battle*

"GONG YI TANPAI!!"

 

[CrpCrwls]

OOC: Was that a jab at the fact that I'm brown? Well, when I had my other avatar pic...

"Fine! My Orb of Tornami against your flames of... flames of... your flames! Let's go!
Xiaolin Showdown!

*Suddenly the environment changes to that of a void with broken pieces of buildings serving as platforms. Zero and Gaosung land on a long rectangular platform, a small plushie version of Zero materialising out of thin air for the battle*

"GONG YI TANPAI!!"

OOC: Nah I was making a reference to the picture on this TVtropes page and it's caption

*Somewhere, far above the platform a train flies briefly before vanishing into the darkness, the contraption from another world serving as a metaphor representing the derailment of the thread*

Maybe I should have gone for "the floor is lava" instead. Bah! At least in this environment I won't have to worry about collateral damages if I go all out..

*The flames on his back flare even more, turning into gigantic wings of red fire, so big the young Longma look tiny in comparision. The wing move, wrapping themselves aroung his figure, surrounding him a aura of fire hot enough to make the stone he's standing on glow from the heat. Gaosung dashes forward, rushing toward Zero. The distance between them is great enough that the bear can see the attack coming, but as the dark sider reach the halfway point between them two fireball shot out of his flames, low to the ground, leaving a trail of fire and melted rock behind them. They pass Zero on either side, cutting off the escape from the living conflagration charging him.*

 

[The Yaski]

Faenor said a lot of stuff here and had a really nice post but unfortunately his wall of text and my wall of text combined was breaking character count for a single post so I had to cut it down to this run-on sentence explaining why I cut it out.

Spoiler: Faenor is an A-hole, but I'm an A-hole too, and I like that Faenor is an A-Hole ^_^

TBH I only got about four paragraphs into the Area 4 post before I discounted it completely as something beyond the capabilities of our tiny ragtag group of ungulates. I don't know what you are talking about with the technology as I did not reach that far but I do agree that it is ludicrously overpowered. That is not something we can face, at least not at this stage. So after four paragraphs I kinda just ignored it, kept going as if we were just assaulting some terrorist cave that relies more upon being hidden that being fortified, and if we ended up going with Area 4 I'd read it later.

That being said, just from the glimpse I got of Area 4 it clearly has had a lot of work put into it. And THAT being said, some things are still a bit much about it. I remember something somewhere about a system being in place to flood the entire complex with water should any tunnelers be detected which seems 1) entirely to specific to not be a counter to the plan we were building and 2) impractical even with that aside. How do you keep that much water sitting around on an island that's always on fire anyways? And have enough to flood all of the levels of a multi-tiered structure? Anyways, what I mean to say before I sidetracked myself is that Area 4 is not suitable for this occasion. But that doesn't mean we have to ax it entirely. I think if our little RP board ever developed enough of a story line to have reason for an "end game" it could make for a great final fortress. It's just, that's not where we are. This RP is only on it's second story arc (and that's still only kinda the tail end of the first). There is no rush to be throwing ourselves into the pits of hell this quickly, or what is there to work up to?

And I feel the most important thing many people forget that I am glad Faenor said is that RP is not about winning. This is a thread about talking hooved mammals being scared of carnivores. We aren't playing for high stakes. As I mentioned several times earlier, the point of us making the dice roll system was to avoid the "Well my" loop ("Well my character pulls the lever that I didn't mention earlier that coats the floor with lava!" "Well my guy has lavaproof boots on!" "Well I zap your lava-proof boots with my boots vaporizing laser!" "Well I deflect you laser back with my mirror shield to vaporize your boots!" "I'm not wearing boots!" "Then how are you standing on the lava!" "Ummm... I'm not! I'm on a platform floating over the lava!" "You never said there was a floating platform!" "I didn't think I had to!"). I took way too long with that example. ANYWAYS. In RP you lose. Your character gets beaten, literally or in their goals. Their fail, they fall down, they lose hope. That's what good storytelling is. No drama exists without the chance or the actual presence of failure. RP at it's heart is just cooperative storytelling. Taking the good writers, the good idea makers, the funny guys, the serious guys, and throwing them all into a big pot together and watching something form that is greater than the sum of its parts. I'm a long time RPGer from both sides of the board, player and master, and some of the best fun I've had on both sides is watching my carefully laid plans fail around me. Conflict means accomplishment. Trails beget worth. It's when the chips are down and the problems loom that real character comes out. I mean, to keep everyone balanced and fair I even thought of offering to give everyone stats (I am a huge nerd with a lot of time on my hands) so we could have more intense battles than a single % chance, but I figured I was the one now being a bit too serious for this board.

As for Zero's power levels I honestly don't have too much problem with it, mostly because of how his character is built and the kinda guy he is. We can all be honest here, you aren't the most serious writer here Zero and that's a good thing. As I said, we get are goof and our grumps and we throw all of us together. We have Faenor and me over here when we need dramatic scene building and angstangstangstangstangst and you keep us from getting too pretentious about ourselves and keep this lighthearted. Which is, once again, not to say you can't be serious Zero, you've made some great serious scenes in the past, we each just have our own trends that we sometimes break from. ANYWAYS WHAT I MEANT TO SAY BEHIND TAKING MYSELF TOO SERIOUSLY ONCE AGAIN is that yeah, Zero is stronk. Really stronk. Super durability+infinite hammerspace alone can be broken in so many ways it isn't even funny (okay, kinda funny) leaving out all the firepower. But Zero the super bear isn't really built to be a super gritty character. He's just here to have a good time and throw some Party Hoers-esque madness and joy into our lives. And once again, the way he's built. We are in a fiction setting where having plenty of NPC mooks to place in front of Zero is not a problem. And that's what Zero is built for. My character is meant to be this super tactician, and guess what, we keep ending up in situations where that is handy. Faenor and DungeonMiner and some others are diplomats, and we keep ending up in situations where we need talkers. OC is a villain and that's cheating because there is never rarely a situation that can't be spiced up with some conflict. And Zero excels at front line combat and AoE destruction. Gattling cannons, grenades, missiles, not exactly a mono-e-mono armament. Everyone has their role and their part to play, and you let people have fun in their role without forcing them to fit others. To go back to my RPG experience, you don't ask the barbarian to sweet talk his way into the king's castle, you ask the rogue or the bard to do that, and you don't ask him to pull his punches later when you are fighting the dragon because the bard is feeling left out in all the punchy-stabby everyone else is doing. You don't make someone who excels at everything because that Mary Sue. You specialize. And I think Zero is well specialized. Now, I do admit, robotics and advanced weaponry does break the setting a bit but I am okay with it because, as I said, Zero is a funnier character than you or I. So robotic bears in Foenum I inherently don't take all that seriously.

Is that all? I think that's all I have to say. Maybe I'll edit this later to add even more to my wall-o-text. Or not. Anyways, ciao!

 

[CrpCrwls]

I remember something somewhere about a system being in place to flood the entire complex with water should any tunnelers be detected which seems 1) entirely to specific to not be a counter to the plan we were building and 2) impractical even with that aside.

That was for the cave, and yeah I though exactly the same thing, especially since it was added after all the post listing other traps and after we settled for the tunnel idea

 

[Feanor]

Likewise, given the plot of the game, I thought predators were sneaking out a few at a time and reforming their bodies solid, in which they would make the time to form packs or hordes.

Who knows, this might be the case. I would just hold off until we get some confirm on that. I also wanted to say sorry how this came out. I have a bad habit of not voicing my opinion, then exploding in a wall of text later. As OC mentioned earlier, this was a super creative, well thought out idea and it really impressed me in that regard (I meant to put a whole section in my post about that, honestly! It just got lost somewhere in the miles of text). That said, I just don't think we are ready for that level of challenge with our current system. And the other things I already said.

. By the way, I explained that I have MAGIC bullets, which are non-lethal, and are infinite unless I'm super tired, and while, yes, that is a Mary Sue kind of thing, I did say that PLOT CONVENIENCE!

Humblest apologies, I never read that. I knew there were gonna be things that I completely missed that would make me look an ass. Here's #1 I guess.

(Cool dudes have amnesia!)

Tis true. Though in hindsight I would feel like crap if you changed your character just to appease my megalomania. Stay true to what you want him to be!

Awkward...
That aside: You sure about that? After all, I did make Ziege summon an army of darkness (though technically he had an awful lot of help!)
*ahem

Yes. Yes, awkward indeed. I was aware of this though. It's just my opinion, and mostly for the purpose of not having the Hold leaking out into the world. If it is just a one-time thing I don't see a problem. Long as we aren't going back with corn oil to squeeze 'em out one at a time. That would just be unfair to the fat ones.

I'm actually going to come to the defense of super hurricane here. While I will admit that I do indeed think that the base is a bit much given the fan-world that our RP is shaping, it is clear that a great amount of effort and creativity went into this. super hurricane wrote all of this, and while we may not agree per-say with what was produced, I think there is no need to be so harsh. Rather, look at it this way: super hurricane, imo, has proven an understanding of what is terrifying to behold.

You are 100% correct, and I have no excuses, except to say that I really did mean to post a paragraph of respect for his creation before doing my best to smash it to a thousand pieces

especially since I like it better when we ALL contribute to making the scene. Like when I STARTED the war with the giraffes, I HEAVILY implied that we should go and attack, but EVERYONE ELSE helped in setting the scenes and events.

THIS. This sums up a lot of what I was trying to say. Co-operative effort. When initiating an event, give everyone a chance to respond, and add their input to what happens next.

I do still have to congraduate OC for his story, especially for the fact that most of the important characters weren't his and he was still able to weave it as well as he did.

Ditto.

s for Zero's power levels I honestly don't have too much problem with it, mostly because of how his character is built and the kinda guy he is. We can all be honest here, you aren't the most serious writer here Zero and that's a good thing. As I said, we get are goof and our grumps and we throw all of us together. We have Faenor and me over here when we need dramatic scene building and angstangstangstangstangst and you keep us from getting too pretentious about ourselves and keep this lighthearted.

All true. I have yet to see Zero abuse these powers, and almost didn't put that gripe in my post. I did mostly because I didn't want it to seem like I was ragging too particularly on certain people, and because by that point the post had turned into an all out Everything-Wrong-With anyway. Everything you said here made me think a lot though. Especially

Taking the good writers, the good idea makers, the funny guys, the serious guys, and throwing them all into a big pot together and watching something form that is greater than the sum of its parts.

I think I could work on this, and it is my lack of RP experience showing there. I have a hard time playing off of humor or ideas I wouldn't have used, especially in the heat of action. I am more likely to just stop posting then try to maintain my side of the story amidst the conflicting stuff. That said, I do think there is a line when humor starts determining major events or creates plot conveniences that take away from the story integrity.

EDIT: In other news I have come to a decision on my name dilemma. Or come to terms, anyway. I (the reindeer) shall be Feanor. It is just simpler that way, and the name is neutral enough to fit a female I suppose. Sorry Tolkien, you can't sue me from the Halls of Mandos! Uh.. My sprite is just...my sprite. Or my Assistant. May name later.

 

[BypenThynDragon]

OOC: Was that a jab at the fact that I'm brown? Well, when I had my other avatar pic...

"Fine! My Orb of Tornami against your flames of... flames of... your flames! Let's go!
Xiaolin Showdown!

*Suddenly the environment changes to that of a void with broken pieces of buildings serving as platforms. Zero and Gaosung land on a long rectangular platform, a small plushie version of Zero materialising out of thin air for the battle*

"GONG YI TANPAI!!"

(Fluffy is in the stands) "woo go Zero"

Edit: sorry I was gone for a wile been busy with life and all but I am free today.

 

[CactusPearGamer]

If it were up to me, I would make it so that Base 4 would be under construction, since they wouldn't have enough time to build such a large and complicated structure. Therefore, it could be a balanced choice between keeping Fleece there versus keeping him at the caves, plus allowing us to come back later and get the full experience.

 

[0Zero100]

We're still on for:
-5 p.m. pst
-6 p.m. mt
-7 p.m. cst
-8 p.m. est
right?

Also, just to wrap up this little game:

*Zero looks for the origin of the voice, getting distracted. When he sees Fluffy and OC his robo heart nearly jumps out of his chest in joy. Being distracted however, gave Gaosung juuuust enough time time to throw the plushie and have it fall on the ground in front of Zero.*

"*Gasp* W-wai-who-w-w-waht! That isn't fair, I want a rematch! I was distracted!"

*Gaosung explains that no matter what happens in a showdown, all endings are FINAL.*

"B-b-b-b-... awww fine!"

*The scenery goes back to normal and we end up back in the UFC council room*

Side-note: I like how Crp, Yaski and Feanor describe how NOT SO OP Zero is, because I still try to make it sound like I'm not supposed to be here. Well, Zero isn't supposed to be here, I mean. Yes, I could conform to Feanor's theory, but maybe that could be another OC in the making hmmmm....

No, but seriously, I like to think that I COULD have Zero just always be 'Shooty shooty splodey splodey!', but where would the fun be in that? I mean, I'm not really trying to build a serious nitty gritty character here, but I do like to try and make it sound like Zero just wants to TRY and make friends with everyone (Heh, not the Hunters, did you see what he did to that one weird goat, Ziege, man he blew him UP!) but if he can't he can't. And so far, I can call most of you friends and Zero's friends as well.(Excluding Ziege, he's just creepy... in a lovable way...)

 

[Feanor]

We're still on for:
-5 p.m. pst
-6 p.m. mt
-7 p.m. cst
-8 p.m. est
right?

Still works for me.

 

[0Zero100]

Still works for me.

See you in 6 hours!

 

[V.A.a.M.P.P]

We're still on for:
-5 p.m. pst
-6 p.m. mt
-7 p.m. cst
-8 p.m. est

A-ok

 

[super hurricane]

(OOC: Two minor things of note: The fire is made of the Kitsune's Illusions, thus as long as he's around, they never go out even if you pour dirt or water on it. However, despite the fact they are not real, it does mean those who don't have a set mindset of calm and rationalism will get the sensation of being burned heavily even though the flames won't damage the body. Otherwise my guy would have been singed the second he flew down into the tunnel, or get affected by thermal heat. The second thing is that the prison extends far down into the ocean floor, thus there is plenty of water to fill up several floors through the automated vent system and then pump it out later. I hope that explains things a bit. Still, as I said, Area 4 is cancelled until the bugs are worked out.)

 

[OCisbestungulate]

OOC: The time has come. Who is present?

 

[0Zero100]

Red Leader, signing in!

 

[BypenThynDragon]

Red 2, signing in?

 

[OCisbestungulate]

I propose we wait for 15-30 min before we begin anything. It will allow time for those who are not here yet to arrive.

Edit: Prepare that F5 key for much pressing!

 

[Feanor]

In the flesh. Fur?

 

[0Zero100]

I propose we wait for 15-30 min before we begin anything. It will allow time for those who are not here yet to arrive.

Edit: Prepare that F5 key for much pressing!

Seconded, Red Fox.

 

[V.A.a.M.P.P]

hola

 

[OCisbestungulate]

In the flesh. Fur?

Do Ice Sprites have fur? They seem to have fluffy fur or fur-like coats. Does that count?

 

[BypenThynDragon]

I propose we wait for 15-30 min before we begin anything. It will allow time for those who are not here yet to arrive.

Edit: Prepare that F5 key for much pressing!

f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5ff5ff5f5f55f5f5ff5f5f5f5f5f55ff55f55ff5f55f55f5f55f5f
Help me

 

[OCisbestungulate]

Help me

There is no help. Only Zuul.

 

[0Zero100]

In the flesh. Fur?

Glad to see you Red Rocket.

hola

The same to you Red Lemon.

Red 2, signing in?

*Blushes*
H-hi Red 2...

 

[Feanor]

Do Ice Sprites have fur? They seem to have fluffy fur or fur-like coats. Does that count?

Fur coats, though I can't imagine where they get them. In fact they very much resemble.... wait a second...!

 

[Stunthead]

I am present. I may have to un-present myself if this takes too long though. If that happens, I give OC permission to write for Fleece.

 

[BypenThynDragon]

Fur coats, though I can't imagine where they get them. In fact they very much resemble.... wait a second...!

That's why they really keep the reindeers around

*Blushes*
H-hi Red 2...

Hi

 

[0Zero100]

Fur coats, though I can't imagine where they get them. In fact they very much resemble.... wait a second...!

Red Rocket, glad you could make it.

 

[OCisbestungulate]

Come on @DungeonMiner. We know you're here. You can't hide from the eyes of the forum!

 

[The Yaski]

Red Leader, signing in!

....... Crimson Leader reporting.

Fur coats, though I can't imagine where they get them. In fact they very much resemble.... wait a second...!

The truth is revealed

Edit: A question for the next livestream

 

[Feanor]

Red Rocket, glad you could make it.

Ditto, glad to be here.